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me da mucho gusto ser parte de esta comunidad. Esta es mi primera mensaje y me gusteria presentarme y pedir asistencia. Soy carolins, nieta de Refugio de la Torre de San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco. Refugio "Cuca" era mi abuela maternal y su papa era Fidencio "papalencho" de la Torre y su madre era Justina Gonzales. El padre de Fidencio de la Torre era Zenon de la Torre.

I need some folks to look over this and and help out with the English of
this message. After I get that part resolved I'll be looking to get help
from those in the group that have offered to help with Spanish translations:

I made a table about the Mendoza family showing how they married into several prominant spanish families and the many surnames they created. I think it could help us look at the big picture. I've never knew how important this family was.

alguien sabe si de las familias troncales de los Altos. alguna fue para Michoacán,,,,,o si tiene alguna relación los González de los Altos con los de Michoacán,,,saludos Lupita> From: research-request@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com> Subject: Research Digest, Vol 29, Issue 17> To: research@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:36:11 -0700> > Send Research mailing list submissions to> research@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://lists.nuestrosranchos.com/listinfo.cgi/research-nuestrosranchos.com> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> research-request@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> research-owner@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Research digest..."> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> DAILY DIGEST> ****************************************> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. RE: Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales> que poblaron las orillas (Ronald Reynoso)> 2. Re: La leyenda (sophia)> 3. RE: RE: RE: RE: New names in my Mu?oz line:San Juan> de los Lagos, Ayotlan, (sophia)> 4. RE: RE: Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias> troncales que poblaron las o (vicente castro sifuentes)> 5. Re: New names in my (egomezreyes)> 6. Re: New names in my (rubenhernandez57@comcast.net)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:04:16 -0700> From: Ronald Reynoso > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las> familias troncales que poblaron las orillas> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Hola Vale ,como esta? ojala que bien. Mi antepasado era Carlos Lomellini y era de genoa,Italia como era moro ? > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com> From: castrosivicente@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:41:17 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del> > > Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del siglo XVI.> > Se desprend?an desde Guadalajara hacia Teocaltiche., de ah? hacia Jalostotitlan, Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, Mirandilla, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitl?n y Guadalajara de nuevo.> > De estas mismas ramas, hubo desplazamientos hacia Le?n (familia Ulloa y Parada Aguilar), Silao, Celaya e Irapuato (familia Mart?n), Gto.> De Jalostotitl?n, sali? la familia Garza para fundar la ciudad de Monterrey, NL.> (Ordenanzas de colonizaci?n de 1573).> > > TRONCOS FAMILIARES PRINCIPALES> > 1. Lomel?, Gallo, Gonz?lez (provenientes de Yahualica).> 2. Padilla, Reynoso.> 3. Issasi, Serrano, Sanrom?n, Ortiz de Parada, Hermosillo.> 4. P?rez, Franco, Padilla, Jim?nez, Reynoso, Gonz?lez> 5. Barba, Gonz?lez.> > Fuente: Sociedad y conflicto en los Altos de Jalisco. P?g. 87, citado por Gtz, Gtz J.A. 1989. Colecci?n Regiones. CONACULTA.> > Escribo esto, porque una persona de nombre Steven, asegura equivocadamente que los apellidos Lomel?n, Isassi, Lavezares y Sigala, provienen de italianos que se asentaron en Los Altos, lo cual es inexacto.> Lomel?n es de origen moro, asentado en Granada y C?rdoba al Sur de Espa?a. Ya en 1624 un portador de este apellido era Don Pedro Lomel?n.> Isassi es de origen totalmente vasco, siendo uno de sus representantes don Francisco Isassi de Olavarr?a.> Lavezares, proviene de la provincia de Vizcaya, donde destaca el militar Guido de Lavezares> Sigala proviene de Palma de Mallorca y su escudo consta de un> ?guila de plata con las patas y garras puestas hacia arriba en situaci?n de ataque.> > Saludos, Vicente de San Miguel.> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com> _________________________________________________________________> Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back!> http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=introsrchcashback> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:30:03 -0400> From: sophia > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La leyenda> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Gracias Juan!> I will try and hopefully I'm lucky.> > Sophia> > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:14:28 -0700> From: 1gnzlz@verizon.net> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La leyenda> > Sophia:> > Since you lived in Spain, let me give you some information about a book: > "Hermosilla, Su Historia y sus Gentes" by Dionisio Cueva.> > You might be able to get it if you still have connections in either, > Hermosilla or Madrid. I got it through a friend who lives in Madrid and he > was kind enough to go to Hermosilla to take some pictures and try to do a > little research for me. He sent me a picture of the house where the Gonzalez > used to live. The descendents are no longer in Hermosilla, they moved to > Burgos.> In one of the pictures that he took there was a poster with the announcement > of a book on the history of Hermosilla. I went to the web and found the > Hermosilla web page where I posted a message asking for information on how > to locate Presbitero Dionisio Cueva, the author. It wasn't long before I > had > a phone number in Madrid, I asked my friend to call it and he was able > to get in touch with the author. It took a few weeks to get the book > because they were being kept in Hermosilla and I would have to wait until > Dionisio Cuevas went back to get the book. The book is fairly new, it was > published in 2006.> > If you do get, it you'll be fascinated by it, the book includes census taken > in 1508, 1512, 1518,,1524, and 1530. The census are very short since very > few people lived there at that time.> > You might want to try: WWW.escolopios.es they are the publishers and they > can probably help you to get a hold of Padre Dionisio Cueva or Saturio > Laredo, author and co-author of the book, both of them are from Hermosilla.> > Good luck!> > John Gonzalez> > _________________________________________________________________> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:36:46 -0400> From: sophia > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: RE: RE: RE: New names in my> Mu?oz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan,> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Primo Ronnie!> > For what I am seeing we are the closest related by Cristobal Gutierrez de Mendoza.> > Tu Prima,> Sophia> > From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:51:02 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: RE: RE: New names in my Mu?oz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalost> > > Correct Prima> _________________________________________________________________> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:03:48 -0500> From: vicente castro sifuentes > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: RE: Genealog?a de la expansi?n de> las familias troncales que poblaron las o> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Qualcuno ha detto., Lomel?n (cognome di Steven) arribato di Genova a Madrid.> Ma, Lomellini e quallcosa diverso di Lomel?n. E vero, Lomellini (cognome dil suo nonno) si posta a Carmagnola, viccino a Torino reggione di Piamonte.> > Alguien ha dicho Lomel?n (apellido de Steven)., lleg? de G?nova a Madrid.> Pero Lomellini es algo distinto a Lomel?n. Es cierto, Lomellini se ubica en la ciudad de Carmagnola cerca de Tur?n Norte de Italia, donde hasta hay un palacio de una familia de ese apellido. A menudo los inmigrantes o las autoridades del pa?s de destino, escrib?an mal algunos datos, por ignorancia o premura del tiempo.> La reina Isabel tuvo un confesor de apellido Lomellini, que tambi?n se cita en la genealog?a de algunos zacatecanos. Entre 1532 y 1560 hab?a en Per? alrededor de 50 italianos, provenientes de Liguria.> Saludos. Viaje a la tierra de sus antepasados si no la conoce a?n. No se va arrepentir. Yo viv? un tiempo en Monteccattini, entre Florencia y Pisa. Hay mucho que ver. Vicente de San Miguel.> > > From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:04:16 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas> > > Hola Vale ,como esta? ojala que bien. Mi antepasado era Carlos Lomellini y era de genoa,Italia como era moro ? > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com> From: castrosivicente@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:41:17 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del> > > Genealog?a de la expansi?n de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del siglo XVI.> > Se desprend?an desde Guadalajara hacia Teocaltiche., de ah? hacia Jalostotitlan, Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, Mirandilla, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitl?n y Guadalajara de nuevo.> > De estas mismas ramas, hubo desplazamientos> hacia Le?n (familia Ulloa y Parada Aguilar), Silao, Celaya e Irapuato (familia Mart?n), Gto.> De Jalostotitl?n, sali? la familia Garza para fundar la ciudad de Monterrey, NL.> (Ordenanzas de colonizaci?n de 1573).> > TRONCOS FAMILIARES PRINCIPALES> > 1. Lomel?, Gallo, Gonz?lez (provenientes de Yahualica).> 2. Padilla, Reynoso.> 3. Issasi, Serrano, Sanrom?n, Ortiz de Parada, Hermosillo.> 4. P?rez, Franco, Padilla, Jim?nez, Reynoso, Gonz?lez> 5. Barba, Gonz?lez.> > Fuente: Sociedad y conflicto en los Altos de Jalisco. P?g. 87, citado por Gtz, Gtz J.A. 1989. Colecci?n Regiones. CONACULTA.> > Escribo esto, porque una persona de nombre Steven, asegura equivocadamente que los apellidos Lomel?n, Isassi, Lavezares y Sigala, provienen de italianos que se asentaron en Los Altos, lo cual es inexacto.> Lomel?n es de origen moro, asentado en Granada y C?rdoba al Sur de Espa?a. Ya en 1624 un portador de este apellido era Don Pedro Lomel?n.> Isassi es de origen totalmente vasco, siendo un> o de sus representantes don Francisco Isassi de Olavarr?a.> Lavezares, proviene de la provincia de Vizcaya, donde destaca el militar Guido de Lavezares> Sigala proviene de Palma de Mallorca y su escudo consta de un ?guila de plata con las patas y garras puestas hacia arriba en situaci?n de ataque.> > Saludos, Vicente de San Miguel.> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com> _________________________________________________________________> Introducing Live Search cashback . 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The children mentioned of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Ana Gonzales Florida included Theresa who married Diego Flores de la Torre. Their daughter Juana married Tomas Martin del Campo. They had 9 children. Their daughter Cecilia married Jose Joaquin Gutierrez... These are my ancestors. I'm very pleased to meet others who have done some serious research in Jalos. > > I hope to join you when you meet again. I note that you are meeting today in Wildomar. I am looking forward to the next meeting.> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:34:04 +0000> From: rubenhernandez57@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New names in my> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com> Message-ID:> <062220080234.4915.485DBA1C0003368E000013332207020653C9CA960A0B020E029D0A08020A0D9A9D@comcast.net>> > Content-Type: text/plain> > Mr. Reyes,> > Could you please call me at (408) 314-2027. I'm interested in talking to you about Diego Flores de la Torre.> > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: egomezreyes > > > > > I just joined your group and am very interested in the line from Jalos. We > > share the same ancestors (and I agree that that would be the case for many from > > Jalos). The children mentioned of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Ana Gonzales > > Florida included Theresa who married Diego Flores de la Torre. Their daughter > > Juana married Tomas Martin del Campo. They had 9 children. Their daughter > > Cecilia married Jose Joaquin Gutierrez... These are my ancestors. I'm very > > pleased to meet others who have done some serious research in Jalos. > > > > I hope to join you when you meet again. I note that you are meeting today in > > Wildomar. I am looking forward to the next meeting. > > > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com > > > > To change your subscription, log on to: > > http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com > > ------------------------------> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com> > > > End of Research Digest, Vol 29, Issue 17> ****************************************

Mr. Reyes,

Could you please call me at (408) 314-2027. I'm interested in talking to you about Diego Flores de la Torre.

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From: egomezreyes

Hi,
I just wanted to let everyone know that I added some more photos to my
Martin del Campo album. One is of Ismael Martin del Campo. I don't know
when the picture was taken, though, but it is in Guadalajara. He was

I guess this just means that despite your European appearance, your child is
definitely one of "us" (smile). You know how we are....we come in all
shades and eye coloring...even within a family of siblings!

Genealogía de la expansión de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del siglo XVI.

Se desprendían desde Guadalajara hacia Teocaltiche., de ahí hacia Jalostotitlan, Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, Mirandilla, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitlán y Guadalajara de nuevo.

Hello-

I am researching the family of Beltran de La Cueva, or Beltran or De La
Cueva in the 17th century in Aguascalientes.

I am looking for info on:

Nicolasa Beltran de la Cueva AKA Nicolasa Theresa de la Cueva born abt.

AKA La llorona de Los Altos.

La titulada “La Vieja del Concilio” que narra la desventura de una hermosa
mujer española muy rica (que se cree fue doña Ana González Florida quien
vivió en el siglo XVII); quien fue atacada por un leoncillo que le desfiguró