Research Digest, Vol 97, Issue 3

Welcome Christine, as you can see our cousins here are incredible with their knowledge and willingness to help, I come from an engineering background and understand the need for facts, documentation as well as precision, just wanted to let you know your ancestors did not leave Mexico to come to America as Mexico is not only already in America but North America as well, they came to the United States, sorry, one of my pet peeves, God Bless and enjoy the search! Your primo Raul!

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> 1. Great to Join the Group (Miguel Gallegos)
> 2. Introduction - Cardona/Saucedo Research
> (Christine Cardona-Threadgill)
> 3. Hern?ndez Gami?o, L?pez de Aguirre, O?ate y Zepeda
> (mendezdetorres@hotmail.com)
> 4. Re: Introduction - Cardona/Saucedo Research (Juan Aguayo)
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> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 22:58:05 -0600
> From: "Miguel Gallegos"
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Great to Join the Group
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> Hello,
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> My name is Miguel Gallegos and I'm new to the Group. I was born in Mexico City, but my ancestors are primarily from Aguascalientes (mostly around Calvillo, Aguascalientes, including, San Tadeo, Colomos, Mesa Grande, Las Moras, Montoro, El Roble, Ojocaliente, and El Ocote ), Zacatecas (Tabasco and Tlaltenago de Sanchez Roman), and Jalisco (Teocaltiche). I'm looking forward to working with the group to further improve my genealogical tree. I will be working the following surnames: Carlos, Gallegos, Eudave, Esparza, Romo, Contreras, and Romo.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 22:52:50 -0800
> From: Christine Cardona-Threadgill
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Cardona/Saucedo Research
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> Hello,
>
> My name is Christine Cardona Threadgill and I am researching the surnames
> Cardona and Saucedo from Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes. My great-great
> grandfather was Lino Saucedo born about 1875 in Aguascalientes. I do not
> have marriage records for him but prior to 1901 he would have met
> Guadalupe, her last name is not known for sure, however based on a baptism
> record found on the LDS website with misspelling on the last name Saucedo
> as (Aucedo) her maiden name may have been Peres. Together they had my
> great-grandmother Gregoria Guadalupe Saucedo born November 27, 1901 in
> Rincon de Romos. If that baptism record is correct she was baptized
> December 15, 1901 in Rincon de Romos. Her younger brother was Pedro Saucedo
> born 1904 also in Rincon de Romos. The story my great-grandmother Gregoria
> always told me was that her mother died when she was very young, however my
> mother told me she later heard that the truth was her mother abandoned
> their family. I haven't been able to find any death or divorce records but
> I guess either one would answer what really happened.
>
> My great-grandma Gregoria also told me that her father was very strict and
> did not approve of her marrying my great-grandfather, Marcos Ramos Cardona,
> as he was also much older than her. I was told they almost had trouble
> finding a priest to perform the ceremony, and as their first child was born
> in 1918, I would assume their marriage was possibly 1917 or so, making my
> grandmother about 16 years old. Their first daughter Guadalupe (Lupe)
> Cardona was born 1918 in Aguascalientes, and their second daughter Juana
> Cardona was born in 1922 presumably in Aguascalientes as well. I was told
> she had one other child that possibly was stillborn or died soon after
> birth, that was buried in Mexico in a border town, assuming she had this
> baby before my great-aunt Juana it makes me think maybe Juana would have
> been born in a border town. I have her border crossing record which shows
> she came alone with her then only two daughters on April 10, 1923 through
> El Paso, Texas. My great-grandfather had come beforehand and I was told he
> worked in America and saved enough money to send for my great-grandma.
> Based on a 1930 Mexican census both Lino Saucedo and Pedro Saucedo had
> remained in Aguascalientes, and lived in a hacienda known as Saucillo.
> Based on the census Lino had entered a domestic partnership with a woman
> named Ramona Palacio. I am also told by my great-aunts that Pedro had a
> wife named Anita, yet I did not see her on the census, so he may have been
> married after 1930.
>
> Marcos Cardona was born April 25, 1886 based on the records I have from the
> cemetery, however I was told by family that some were not sure exactly when
> he was born. I know much less about his family as he passed away in 1950 in
> Tulare, California. I know he had several siblings, and traveled to America
> with brothers Daniel and Maximilliano. I also have a border crossing record
> for him showing an arrival date of April 7, 1923 in El Paso Texas, and on
> this record it says his approximate birth year was 1891. I don't know
> either of his parents names, but based on his death record his mother's
> maiden name was Ramos. He also had a sister named Daria that remained in
> Mexico along with other siblings.
> I also remember my great-grandmother Gregoria (Americanized name was
> Georgia) telling me how she hated her name, and it was given to her after
> her grandmother, or an aunt, I can't remember which one, or on which side
> of her family. After moving to America my great-grandparents moved to
> Ventura County in California and had 6 more children, Eloisa (Elsie)
> Cardona in 1924, Living Cardona in 1926, Monica Cardona in 1928, Living
> Cardona 1930 and my grandfather (living) in 1936. They also had two other
> children who passed away in America, one for sure was a baby named Esther,
> and the other was possibly stillborn or a baby, I don't know the name.
> Gregoria passed away in Fillmore, California in 2004.
>
> I am trying to find any links back to Mexico as well as any records which
> will give me more information on my family and hopefully I can find
> information on previous generations.
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/CThreadgill
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 03:14:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hern?ndez Gami?o, L?pez de Aguirre, O?ate
> y Zepeda
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> Busco ayuda en esperanza que puedemos identificar los padres de esta Mar?a Hern?ndez Gami?o casada con mi antepasado Sebasti?n Francisco de O?ate y Zepeda. Esta pareja bautizaron una hija en Irapuato el 29 de mayo de 1729 y parece que hubo mucho movimiento entre dicho real y Cuqu?o aunque estos eran originarios de Irapuato, Gto.
>
> Cuando Sebasti?n qued? viudo pas? a San Felipe de Cuqu?o y celebr? segunda nupcias con Margarita S?nchez de Porras y Lizarraras Xaso el 14 de enero de 1725. He identificado por lo menos un hijo bautizado en Irapuato el 29 de noviembre de 1729.
>
> Es posible que este Sebasti?n sea hijo de Sebasti?n de O?ate y Zepeda y Isidora L?pez de Aguirre. Estos L?pez de Aguirre como saben se establecieron en Santa Mar?a de los Lagos. Esta ?ltima pareja bautizaron por lo menos tres hijos todos en Irapuato: Juana Josefa el 16 de marzo de 1695, Miguel el 15 de octubre de 1685 y Juan Lorenzo el 23 de agosto de 1690.
>
> Lo dif?cil es que esta gente como eran bien cercano a la fronteras del obispado de Michoac?n con Los Altos de Jalisco siempre se mudaban y he tenido dificuldad en seguirlos. Talvez alguien tiene informaci?n adidcional. Gracias antemano.
>
> Daniel M?ndez de Torres Camino
> San Jos?, CA
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:27:46 -0600
> From: Juan Aguayo
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Cardona/Saucedo
> Research
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> Christine,
>
> I made one typo. Marcos' paternal grandfather is listed as Maximiano not
> Maximiliano.
> You can also look up Marcos' sibling's baptisms to check for consistency in
> the names as well.
>
> Juan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Juan Aguayo wrote:
>
>> Hi Christine,
>>
>> Based on the information you have provided and a quick search I have found
>> the following link:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11779-41353-50?cc=1502404&wc=M99K-SWD:n675357532
>>
>> Jose Marcos Cardona Ramos was baptized on July 1, 1888 in Rincon de Romos,
>> Aguascalientes. He was born in El Saucillio at 6am, 14 days prior to his
>> baptism. Marcos is the son of Justo Cardona Castaneda and Pilar Ramos
>> Castorena. His paternal grandparents are Maximiliano Cardona and Valentina
>> Castaneda and his maternal grandparents are Matias Ramos and Eduviges
>> Castorena.
>>
>> I've attached a screen shot of the link above. Based on doing a search in
>> the 1880s it looks like this Marcos did have a brother named Daniel like
>> you mentioned above. His other siblings include Vicente and Rosalio. He may
>> have other sibilings but these are the ones I found in a quick search (see
>> other attachment). I would guess that this is your relative based on the
>> location, names and dates provided: Rincon de Romos Marcos, Vicente and
>> maternal name of Ramos from the 1880s.
>>
>> Saludos,
>> Juan Aguayo
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Christine Cardona-Threadgill <
>> christinecardonat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My name is Christine Cardona Threadgill and I am researching the surnames
>>> Cardona and Saucedo from Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes. My great-great
>>> grandfather was Lino Saucedo born about 1875 in Aguascalientes. I do not
>>> have marriage records for him but prior to 1901 he would have met
>>> Guadalupe, her last name is not known for sure, however based on a baptism
>>> record found on the LDS website with misspelling on the last name Saucedo
>>> as (Aucedo) her maiden name may have been Peres. Together they had my
>>> great-grandmother Gregoria Guadalupe Saucedo born November 27, 1901 in
>>> Rincon de Romos. If that baptism record is correct she was baptized
>>> December 15, 1901 in Rincon de Romos. Her younger brother was Pedro
>>> Saucedo
>>> born 1904 also in Rincon de Romos. The story my great-grandmother Gregoria
>>> always told me was that her mother died when she was very young, however
>>> my
>>> mother told me she later heard that the truth was her mother abandoned
>>> their family. I haven't been able to find any death or divorce records but
>>> I guess either one would answer what really happened.
>>>
>>> My great-grandma Gregoria also told me that her father was very strict and
>>> did not approve of her marrying my great-grandfather, Marcos Ramos
>>> Cardona,
>>> as he was also much older than her. I was told they almost had trouble
>>> finding a priest to perform the ceremony, and as their first child was
>>> born
>>> in 1918, I would assume their marriage was possibly 1917 or so, making my
>>> grandmother about 16 years old. Their first daughter Guadalupe (Lupe)
>>> Cardona was born 1918 in Aguascalientes, and their second daughter Juana
>>> Cardona was born in 1922 presumably in Aguascalientes as well. I was told
>>> she had one other child that possibly was stillborn or died soon after
>>> birth, that was buried in Mexico in a border town, assuming she had this
>>> baby before my great-aunt Juana it makes me think maybe Juana would have
>>> been born in a border town. I have her border crossing record which shows
>>> she came alone with her then only two daughters on April 10, 1923 through
>>> El Paso, Texas. My great-grandfather had come beforehand and I was told he
>>> worked in America and saved enough money to send for my great-grandma.
>>> Based on a 1930 Mexican census both Lino Saucedo and Pedro Saucedo had
>>> remained in Aguascalientes, and lived in a hacienda known as Saucillo.
>>> Based on the census Lino had entered a domestic partnership with a woman
>>> named Ramona Palacio. I am also told by my great-aunts that Pedro had a
>>> wife named Anita, yet I did not see her on the census, so he may have been
>>> married after 1930.
>>>
>>> Marcos Cardona was born April 25, 1886 based on the records I have from
>>> the
>>> cemetery, however I was told by family that some were not sure exactly
>>> when
>>> he was born. I know much less about his family as he passed away in 1950
>>> in
>>> Tulare, California. I know he had several siblings, and traveled to
>>> America
>>> with brothers Daniel and Maximilliano. I also have a border crossing
>>> record
>>> for him showing an arrival date of April 7, 1923 in El Paso Texas, and on
>>> this record it says his approximate birth year was 1891. I don't know
>>> either of his parents names, but based on his death record his mother's
>>> maiden name was Ramos. He also had a sister named Daria that remained in
>>> Mexico along with other siblings.
>>> I also remember my great-grandmother Gregoria (Americanized name was
>>> Georgia) telling me how she hated her name, and it was given to her after
>>> her grandmother, or an aunt, I can't remember which one, or on which side
>>> of her family. After moving to America my great-grandparents moved to
>>> Ventura County in California and had 6 more children, Eloisa (Elsie)
>>> Cardona in 1924, Living Cardona in 1926, Monica Cardona in 1928, Living
>>> Cardona 1930 and my grandfather (living) in 1936. They also had two other
>>> children who passed away in America, one for sure was a baby named Esther,
>>> and the other was possibly stillborn or a baby, I don't know the name.
>>> Gregoria passed away in Fillmore, California in 2004.
>>>
>>> I am trying to find any links back to Mexico as well as any records which
>>> will give me more information on my family and hopefully I can find
>>> information on previous generations.
>>>
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/CThreadgill
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