Juan Miramontes and Brigida de Urritia

For well over 20 years I’ve been researching my Miramontes family line finally hitting the “wall” years ago. We’ve all experienced this from time to time. I believed I could go no further beyond my 6th Great-Grandfather, Nicolas Miramontes and Juana Sandobal, Great-Grandparents whose names were recorded in their son (My 5th GGparents) Lorenzo Miramontes and Agueda de Jesus Llamas marriage record (Married 14 Jan 1741 in Tlaltenango).

For whatever reason I had a hunch the Nicolas Miramontes and Juana Gonzalez line noted in Arturo Ramos’s “Familia’s Antiguas de Tlaltenango” had some connection. I recall Arturo and I had a short communication many years ago when he was in the midst of his research of the Miramontes descendancy searching marriage records when he generously asked NR members if there was anyone in particular we might be looking for, he would keep an eye out for them. I provided the names of Nicolas Miramontes and Juana Sandoval, named in Lorenzo’s marriage record. He remarked the Nicolas Miramontes he found married to Juana Gonzalez could be the same person I was looking possibly being married to another spouse.

It occurred to me recently to examine the marriage informational records prior to this marriage. In short order these records dated 25 Dec 1740 revealed Lorenzo’s mother as Juana Gonzalez and not Juana Sandoval as noted in his actual marriage record. Apparently using one of either her paternal or maternal surnames in these records. Nicolas Miramontes was living at this time and Juana was deceased. Lorenzo’s grandparents were Matheo de Llamas both and Juana Gonsales, both deceased at this time.

This newfound information led me to the next Lorenzo and Ana Dias de Santiago generation followed by Juan Miramontes and Brigida Ortiz de Urritia.

Now as I’ve studied carefully the Miramontes Family tree in Arturo’s book and the forum discussions concerning the descendancy of the Juan Miramontes and Brigida Ortiz de Urritia to the next generation. I ask the question if it has been established if this Juan is the son of Juan Miramontes and Maria Haro y Saucedo? I have a fair working knowledge of reading Spanish but admit at times have problems following written dialog where someone is explaining relationships from one generation to another.

Any help would be welcome
Thanks

Gus Meza