Research Digest, Vol 109, Issue 6

En Saltillo, Este jueves proximo, mañana 12 de febrero, se inicia un Taller
de genealogía y Paleografia en la Universidad Autónoma de Coahuila,
Camporredondo, Instituto de Enseñanza Abierta. (Tel: 4149285). De 18 a
19:30. Si puede lleve fotocopia de su propia acta de nacimiento.
Instructor:Miguel
Ángel Munoz Borrego .

Miguel Ángel Muñoz Borrego
844-1831158 celular
Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico.

2015-02-11 17:08 GMT-06:00 :

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> 1. Petrona de Sotomayor (Paige Herrera)
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> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:07:03 -0800
> From: Paige Herrera
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> I'm trying to find the parents of Petrona de Sotomayor, the wife of
> Bernardo Garcia de Leon, does anyone in the group know if Petrona de
> Sotomayor that married Alvaro Marin de Pe?alosa is the same Petrona de
> Sotomayor that married Bernardo Garcia de Leon?
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> Paige
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> Many thanks to all of you who replied to my question : Julieta, Emilie,
> and
> Mario. I really appreciate the explanations. Muchas gracias.
> Saludos,
> Beverly
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> 1. Re: What does C. M. mean? (Emilie Garcia)
> 2. Re: Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Emilie Garcia)
> 3. Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Danny Alonso)
> 4. Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Danny Alonso)
> (Danny Alonso)
> 5. Re: What does C. M. mean? (Mario Gonzalez)
> 6. Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (IChristopher)
> 7. Re: What does C. M. mean? (julievalens@bluewin.ch)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 17:26:05 -0800
> From: Emilie Garcia
> To: "research@NuestrosRanchos.com"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] What does C. M. mean?
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> Ciudadano means "citizen", but in Mexico, what was a "mexicano"? I guess
> it
> meant a mestizo? Otherwise he would be "indio" and not "espanol"?. I'm
> confused.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 23:14:09 -0600
> > From: glezgo65@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> > CC: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] What does C. M. mean?
> >
> > C M = Ciudadano Mexicano
> >
> > 2015-02-06 22:44 GMT-06:00 Beverly Ewald :
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have recently come across some baptismal records that have the
> > > infant's names, followed by the initials C. M. Can anyone tell me what
> the C. M.
> > > stands for? Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > See this image:
> > >
> > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20465-15470-77?cc=1860
> > > 864&wc=M
> > > C48-SM9:167670301,167670302,168112901
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 17:31:59 -0800
> From: Emilie Garcia
> To: "research@NuestrosRanchos.com"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction and information on Ysabel
> Macias
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> My husband's ancestors were related by marriage to the Macias, and his
> ancestors also included some Rubalcabas. They were all from Encarnacion de
> Diaz. Have you put your family tree in Nuestros Ranchos? See my trees
> under Emilie Garcia. My husband is Antonio Garcia
>
> Congratulations on getting hooked on genealogy. It will be a lifelong
> hobby, and you will always love it.
>
> Many of us wish we had started at your age, and wish we had interviewed all
> our eldest living relatives for more information before they took it to the
> grave. Get photos, stories, any documents they have.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 06:49:42 -0800
> > From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction and information on Ysabel
> > Macias
> >
> > Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum
> >
> > I'm Danny and I've been researching my family for about a month. It
> > started as a school project but then I became really interested after it
> was over.
> > My Spanish teacher that's LDS was helping me read the records. I'm not
> > sure of the actual ranches that my familes ancestors are from, but
> > they're mostly on records from the Encarnacion de Diaz section of Family
> Search.
> > Ive traced my family to Ysabel Masias and Juan Antonio De Robalcaba
> > married in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico on May
> > 27th 1764 but the record wasn't readable, even by my teacher. Thank
> > you for letting me be in the forum and if the forum knows who Ysabel
> > Masias's ancestors are please tell me.
> >
> > --
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 17:43:38 -0800
> From: Danny Alonso
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction and information on Ysabel
> Macias
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> Thank you sir for the additional ancestors. Is this the wedding of Ysabel
> Macias's parents
>
> Name:Joseph Manuel Macias
> Spouse's
> Name:Maria Josepha De Aguilar
> Event Date:01 Oct
> 1762Event
> Place:El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
> Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60485-1
> <
> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=+batch_number
> :M60485-1>
> , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 299828
> <
> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_numbe
> r%3A299828>
>
> My folder url http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/dcalonso
>
> Danny C. Alonso
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 17:17:44 -0800
> From: Danny Alonso
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction and information on Ysabel
> Macias (Danny Alonso)
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> Thank you sir for the additional ancestors. Is this the wedding of Ysabel
> Macias's parents
>
> Name: Joseph Manuel Macias
> Spouse's
> Name: Maria Josepha De Aguilar
> Event Date: 01 Oct
> 1762 Event
> Place: El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
> Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60485-1
> <
> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=+batch_number
> :M60485-1>
> , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 299828
> <
> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_numbe
> r%3A299828>
>
> --
> Danny C. Alonso
>
>
>
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 06:49:42 -0800
> > From: Danny Alonso
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction and information on Ysabel
> > Macias
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> > Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum
> >
> > I'm Danny and I've been researching my family for about a month. It
> started
> > as a school project but then I became really interested after it was
> over.
> > My Spanish teacher that's LDS was helping me read the records. I'm not
> sure
> > of the actual ranches that my familes ancestors are from, but they're
> > mostly on records from the Encarnacion de Diaz section of Family Search.
> > Ive traced my family to Ysabel Masias and Juan Antonio De Robalcaba
> married
> > in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico on May 27th 1764
> but
> > the record wasn't readable, even by my teacher. Thank you for letting me
> be
> > in the forum and if the forum knows who Ysabel Masias's ancestors are
> > please tell me.
> >
> > --
> > Danny C. Alonso
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 19:52:06 -0600
> From: Mario Gonzalez
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] What does C. M. mean?
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> Despues de la guerra de independencia ya no se uso la costumbre de
> mencionar las castas, es decir de calificar a las personas por su
> apariencia fisica como criollos, indios, mestizos etc. se comenzo a usar el
> termino ciudadano mexicano.
>
> Mexicano es toda la persona que nace en el territorio de Mexico.
>
> Saludos
>
> 2015-02-07 19:26 GMT-06:00 Emilie Garcia :
>
> > Ciudadano means "citizen", but in Mexico, what was a "mexicano"? I guess
> > it meant a mestizo? Otherwise he would be "indio" and not "espanol"?.
> I'm
> > confused.
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 23:14:09 -0600
> > > From: glezgo65@gmail.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> > > CC: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] What does C. M. mean?
> > >
> > > C M = Ciudadano Mexicano
> > >
> > > 2015-02-06 22:44 GMT-06:00 Beverly Ewald :
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have recently come across some baptismal records that have the
> > infant's
> > > > names, followed by the initials C. M. Can anyone tell me what the C.
> > M.
> > > > stands for? Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > See this image:
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20465-15470-77?cc=1860864&wc=M
> > > > C48-SM9:167670301,167670302,168112901
> > > >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 03:34:00 +0000 (UTC)
> From: IChristopher
> To: "research@NuestrosRanchos.com"
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction and information on Ysabel
> Macias
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> Hi Armando,
> I need to know what you think about this theory. Juan Antonio de Rubalcava
> and Isabel Macias are my 7th Great Grandparents, through Guillermo de
> Rubalcava that married Andrea de Alba. And, admittedly they are one of my
> least researched ancestors because I haven't gotten to them yet, but
> I?tentatively have?the parents of Isabel Macias as Joseph Manuel Macias and
> Josepha de Aguirre/Magdaleno. The couple he put down Manuel Macias
> and?Josepha de Aguilar married only two years before her supposed daughter.
> Plus, if you look at the IM for Juan Antonio de Rubalcava and Isabel Macias
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12379-10155-97?cc=1502404&wc=M9
> 9K-37G:1018381828?It lists Isabel Macias' mother not as Aguilar, but as
> Josepha de Aguirre, which I believe she uses from her grandmother Mariana
> de
> Aguirre that married Diego Magdaleno.
> Also, if you look at?the?the padrinos that baptized the children of Juan
> Antonio de Rubalcava and Isabel Macias, they?are either Magdalenos or
> connected to the Magdalenos.
> The Padrinos of my 6th Great Grandfather Guillermo de Rubalcava are George
> de Trillo and Guadalupe Macias, daughter of Josepha de Magdaleno and I
> believe sister to Isabel Macias:
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11122-68406-55?cc=1502404&wc=M6
> Q6-NNG:64894201,64894202,64900101
> The Padrino of Joseph Raphael Magdaleno Rubalcava?is Juan Clemente de
> Villalobos, the husband of Ignacia Macias, daughter of Josepha de Magdaleno
> and I believe sister to Isabel Macias:
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12454-66503-25?cc=1502404&wc=M6
> Q6-5M9:64894501,64894502,65089601
> The Padrinos of Petra Rubalcava are Pioquinto de Villalobos and Margarita
> Macias, daughter of Josepha de Magdaleno and I believe sister to Isabel
> Macias:
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11122-68429-48?cc=1502404&wc=M6
> Q6-NNG:64894201,64894202,64900101?
> This is the marriage of Joseph Manuel Macias and Josepha Magdaleno, they
> married 9 Nov 1733 in San Juan de los Lagos:
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18565-20333-32?cc=1874591&wc=1251
> 0746
> I think the timeline fits better, but, I'm not by any means certain. Let me
> know what you think.
> Christopher de Cuellar
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 10:32:59 +0000 (GMT+00:00)
> From: "julievalens@bluewin.ch"
> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] What does C. M. mean?
> Message-ID: <24201409.6171.1423391579230.JavaMail.webmail@bluewin.ch>
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>
> Wikipedia says
>
> The Plan of Iguala, also known as The Plan of the Three Guarantees ("Plan
> Trigarante"), was a revolutionary proclamation promulgated on 24 February
> 1821, in the final stage of the Mexican War of Independence from Spain. The
> Plan stated that Mexico was to become a constitutional monarchy, whose sole
> official religion would be Roman Catholicism, in which all inhabitants of
> Mexico would enjoy equal political and social rights.[2] It took its name
> from the city of Iguala in the modern-day state of Guerrero.
>
> The Plan of Iguala established three central principles for the nascent
> Mexican state: the primacy of Roman Catholicism, the absolute political
> independence of Mexico, and full social equality for all social and ethnic
> groups in the new country. These are the "Three Guarantees" by which the
> Plan is sometimes known, summarized as "Religion, Independence and Unity"
> ("Religi?n, Independencia y Uni?n").
>
> The document explicitly includes all residents of Mexico's geographic
> territory among its citizens: the preamble refers to "Americans, under
> which
> term are included not only those born in America, but Europeans, Africans
> and Asians who reside in it," and Article 12 states: "All the inhabitants
> of
> the Mexican Empire, without any other distinction besides merit and virtue,
> are suitable citizens to apply for any employment," or "All the inhabitants
> of New Spain, without any distinction between Europeans, Africans, nor
> Indians, are citizens of this Monarchy with option to all employment
> depending on their merit and virtues," depending on the copy.
>
>
>
> Julieta
>
>
> ----Message d'origine----
> De : glezgo65@gmail.com
> Date : 08/02/2015 - 02:52 (EO)
> ? : research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Objet : Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] What does C. M. mean?
>
> Despues de la guerra de independencia ya no se uso la costumbre de
> mencionar las castas, es decir de calificar a las personas por su
> apariencia fisica como criollos, indios, mestizos etc. se comenzo a usar el
> termino ciudadano mexicano.
>
> Mexicano es toda la persona que nace en el territorio de Mexico.
>
> Saludos
>
> 2015-02-07 19:26 GMT-06:00 Emilie Garcia :
>
> > Ciudadano means "citizen", but in Mexico, what was a "mexicano"? I guess
> > it meant a mestizo? Otherwise he would be "indio" and not "espanol"?.
> I'm
> > confused.
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 23:14:09 -0600
> > > From: glezgo65@gmail.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> > > CC: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] What does C. M. mean?
> > >
> > > C M = Ciudadano Mexicano
> > >
> > > 2015-02-06 22:44 GMT-06:00 Beverly Ewald :
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have recently come across some baptismal records that have the
> > infant's
> > > > names, followed by the initials C. M. Can anyone tell me what the C.
> > M.
> > > > stands for? Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > See this image:
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20465-15470-77?cc=1860864&wc=M
> > > > C48-SM9:167670301,167670302,168112901
> > > >
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