Nicolas Macias and Thomas Macias

About four years ago there was a query posted at NR concerning the parents of these brothers: Nicolas and Thomas Macias. I have a little more information than was posted then.

Nicolas married Josepha de Alvarado 21 Feb 1662, in Agascalientes. She was the daughter of Luis de Alvarado and Beatriz Lopes de Elisalde.

Thomas married Maria Lopez de Elisalde 13 Sep 1659, in Aguascalientes.

Josepha and Maria are sisters. Their baptismal records have not been found.

There are two dispensations that provide some clues:

(1) Nicolas Macias de Esparza and Gertrudis Macias de Esparza (Diocese of Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1729-31, film 168114, starting at image 8), Jan 17, 1730. Their respective fathers, Pedro Macias and Onofre Macias, are stated to be first cousins, but more detail is not given, although Pedro's and Onofre's parents can be identified from other baptism and marriage records.

(2) Salvador Macias and Maria Macias (Diocese of Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1733-34, film 168055, images 30-35), 1734. They have similar descent as in the previous dispensation, and this dispensation states that Pedro's father is Thomas Macias, and Onofre's father is Nicolas Macias, and they are brothers, but the name of the father is not given.

I have not found other documents that would name the father of Nicolas and Thomas.

There is an internet genealogy that gives their parents as Pedro Macias Valadez and Luisa de Villegas, but sources are given. A look in Family Search for these parents shows a son, Nicolas, baptized in Aguascalientes Jul 7, 1621 (godparents are from Lagos); and the death of Pedro Sep 22, 1649 in Aguascalientes (the death records names his spouse). There is also a daughter, Beatriz, baptized Jan 2, 1619 in Aguascalientes. As is typical for the period, the church records give little additional information.

No marriage record was found for Pedro and Luisa in either Aguascalientes of Jalisco. The Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations do not exist for this early period.

This Nicolas (b 1621) seems to be too old to be the Nicolas who is Thomas's brother: The latter Nicolas was married in 1662, Aguascalientes, which suggests he may be been born about 1637 (assuming 25 years old at marriage). If Nicolas (b. 1621) is the brother, his last known child was born when he would have been 64 years old, not impossible, but unlikely. Thus Nicolas (b. 1621) is most likely the wrong Nicolas.

Does anyone have references that would indicate the parents of Nicolas and Thomas Macias?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA