General Digest, Vol 103, Issue 8

My mother's family came from Mezquitic Jalisco. She is 86 years old and she tells me that in years that were dry (drought) many families would move to other places. One popular place was Nayarit. Some families would return after the droughts, but others would remain in Nayarit. Her family eventually moved to Nayarit and I remember visiting my grandparents as a child and they had many friends from Mezquitic living in Nayarit. My grandparents moved there so their kids could continue with their studies, so that is another reason why some jalicienses moved to Nayarit.

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> Joseph
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> I think it's a good idea to add Nayarit. While doing research on a Nayarit family a few years back, I found that one of the early settlers in the early 1700's came from Guadalajara, Jalisco. As other families came from Zacatecas as well. I was also doing a little research on the Colotlan soldiers trying to link them to Nayarit settlers. Needless to say, my research stopped as I have many other lines that I've been working on.
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> I think it's a great idea.
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> Joeseph, as far as I am concerned we should open the group to persons doing research in Nayarit and Colima , as well as Zacatecas, Aguascalientes. Since those states belonged in the kingdom of Nueva Galicia during the pre independence of Mexico.
> Remember that one of first founding of Guadalajara was in Zacatecas and also in Compostela, Nayarit.
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> Thanks
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> Jose A Torre ( De La Torre )
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>> 1. Nayarit and/y Colima (Joseph Puentes)
>> 2. Re: Nayarit and/y Colima (Paul J Gomez)
>> 3. Nayarit (JOHN SCHMAL)
>> 4. Re: Nayarit and/y Colima (Alicia Carrillo)
>> 5. Re: Nayarit and/y Colima (Erlinda Castanon-Long)
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>> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 21:59:49 -0400
>> From: "Joseph Puentes"
>> To:
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nayarit and/y Colima
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>> What are the good reasons and bad reasons to open up the group to the states
>> of Nayarit and Colima? Can y?all generate some discussion on that topic?
>> Let?s hear the pros and cons.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you think that opening the group to those doing research in Nayarit and
>> Colima would suddenly open the group to vast numbers of new members? Would
>> the discussions wildly go into topics that would alienate the current
>> membership? There are many members of the group that rarely speak out.
>> Please consider stepping into this discussion. I?d like feel the groups
>> pulse on this thought.
>>
>>
>>
>> ?Cu?les son las razones buenas y las razones malas para abrir el grupo a los
>> Estados de Nayarit y Colima? ?Ustedes pueden generar alguna discusi?n sobre
>> ese tema? Escuchemos los ideas buenas/malas de ese tema.
>>
>>
>>
>> ?Crees que si abrimos el grupo a aquellos que hacen investigaci?n en Nayarit
>> y Colima abrir?a grandes cantidades de nuevos miembros al grupo? ?Las
>> discusiones ir?a en temas que podr?a alienar a los miembros actuales? Hay
>> muchos miembros del grupo que rara vez hablan. Por favor considere entrar en
>> esta discusi?n. Me gustar?a sentir el pulso del grupo en este pensamiento
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph
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>>
>> Joseph Puentes
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>> Clean@h2opodcast.com
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 19:22:48 -0700
>> From: Paul J Gomez
>> To: "general@nuestrosranchos.com"
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nayarit and/y Colima
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>> Nayarit. I'm biased. My father was born in Nayarit, eventually crossing border. Serving in the military in WWII , he became a US citizen. As well, my maternal Abuelita Clemencia Lizarraga was born in Nayarit. At present my paternal ancestors date back to 1797, and my maternal line to 1684.
>>
>> As a kid I had the good fortune to visit with my father the ranchito where he and several of his siblings were born.
>>
>> I hope that Nuestros Ranchos will seriously consider including Nayarit. I made this request several years ago, since I believe that historically speaking this area was part of the geographical /political art of Colonial Mexico.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Paul J Gomez
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:59 PM, "Joseph Puentes" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What are the good reasons and bad reasons to open up the group to the states
>>> of Nayarit and Colima? Can y?all generate some discussion on that topic?
>>> Let?s hear the pros and cons.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you think that opening the group to those doing research in Nayarit and
>>> Colima would suddenly open the group to vast numbers of new members? Would
>>> the discussions wildly go into topics that would alienate the current
>>> membership? There are many members of the group that rarely speak out.
>>> Please consider stepping into this discussion. I?d like feel the groups
>>> pulse on this thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?Cu?les son las razones buenas y las razones malas para abrir el grupo a los
>>> Estados de Nayarit y Colima? ?Ustedes pueden generar alguna discusi?n sobre
>>> ese tema? Escuchemos los ideas buenas/malas de ese tema.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?Crees que si abrimos el grupo a aquellos que hacen investigaci?n en Nayarit
>>> y Colima abrir?a grandes cantidades de nuevos miembros al grupo? ?Las
>>> discusiones ir?a en temas que podr?a alienar a los miembros actuales? Hay
>>> muchos miembros del grupo que rara vez hablan. Por favor considere entrar en
>>> esta discusi?n. Me gustar?a sentir el pulso del grupo en este pensamiento
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph Puentes
>>>
>>> Clean@h2opodcast.com
>>>
>>> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 22:47:10 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: JOHN SCHMAL
>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.com
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nayarit
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>> Considering Nayarit was carved out of Jalisco, I'd say it's a good idea. In a recent article, I wrote:
>>
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>> At the time of Mexican independence, Nayarit was part of Jalisco. In November 1824, the political constitution of the State of Jalisco was established, dividing the territory into eight districts. Nayarit was called the Seventh District of Jalisco. On August 7, 1867, after the defeat of the French invasion, President Benito Ju?rez separated Nayarit from Jalisco, declaring it to be the "Military District of Tepic," under the jurisdiction of the government.On December 12, 1884, by order of Article 43 of the Federal Constitution, Nayarit was elevated to the status of a territory separate from Jalisco. This federal territory was divided into twenty municipios. In February 1917 the Territory of Nayarit was elevated to the status of a free and sovereign state under the provisions of the Constitution of 1917. The state was called Nayarit in honor of Nayar or Nayarit, the 16th century Cora governor who had defied the Spaniards.
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>> Late last year, I put together a little discussion of their indigenous history, and some Jalisco lines I have traced did originate in Nayarit.
>>
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>> http://latinola.com/story.php?story=12440
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>> So, I vote "Yes" to Nayarit.
>>
>>
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>>
>> John P. Schmal
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>> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 20:19:32 -0700
>> From: Alicia Carrillo
>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.com
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nayarit and/y Colima
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>> Historically, there's a great deal that binds these states and as Emily
>> said, that may be why you would find some ancestors from one of our 3
>> states, Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes in one of the other states,
>> but then this could apply to other states as well such as Michoacan,
>> Guanajuato and San Luis Potosi. I think it's a toss up.
>>
>> Alicia,
>> San Jose, Ca
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Paul J Gomez
>> wrote:
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>>> Nayarit. I'm biased. My father was born in Nayarit, eventually crossing
>>> border. Serving in the military in WWII , he became a US citizen. As well,
>>> my maternal Abuelita Clemencia Lizarraga was born in Nayarit. At present
>>> my paternal ancestors date back to 1797, and my maternal line to 1684.
>>>
>>> As a kid I had the good fortune to visit with my father the ranchito where
>>> he and several of his siblings were born.
>>>
>>> I hope that Nuestros Ranchos will seriously consider including Nayarit. I
>>> made this request several years ago, since I believe that historically
>>> speaking this area was part of the geographical /political art of Colonial
>>> Mexico.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> Paul J Gomez
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:59 PM, "Joseph Puentes" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are the good reasons and bad reasons to open up the group to the
>>> states
>>>> of Nayarit and Colima? Can y?all generate some discussion on that topic?
>>>> Let?s hear the pros and cons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that opening the group to those doing research in Nayarit
>>> and
>>>> Colima would suddenly open the group to vast numbers of new members?
>>> Would
>>>> the discussions wildly go into topics that would alienate the current
>>>> membership? There are many members of the group that rarely speak out.
>>>> Please consider stepping into this discussion. I?d like feel the groups
>>>> pulse on this thought.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ?Cu?les son las razones buenas y las razones malas para abrir el grupo a
>>> los
>>>> Estados de Nayarit y Colima? ?Ustedes pueden generar alguna discusi?n
>>> sobre
>>>> ese tema? Escuchemos los ideas buenas/malas de ese tema.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ?Crees que si abrimos el grupo a aquellos que hacen investigaci?n en
>>> Nayarit
>>>> y Colima abrir?a grandes cantidades de nuevos miembros al grupo? ?Las
>>>> discusiones ir?a en temas que podr?a alienar a los miembros actuales? Hay
>>>> muchos miembros del grupo que rara vez hablan. Por favor considere
>>> entrar en
>>>> esta discusi?n. Me gustar?a sentir el pulso del grupo en este pensamiento
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joseph Puentes
>>>>
>>>> Clean@h2opodcast.com
>>>>
>>>> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 10:22:12 -0700
>> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
>> To: "general@nuestrosranchos.com"
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nayarit and/y Colima
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>> I have no family in either but have no problem expanding the group to include these.. How abt Michoac?n since many Jalisco families migrated from there in the 1700's.
>> Linda in Olympia, Wa.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:21 AM, Paul J Gomez wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Nayarit. I'm biased. My father was born in Nayarit, eventually crossing border. Serving in the military in WWII , he became a US citizen. As well, my maternal Abuelita Clemencia Lizarraga was born in Nayarit. At present my paternal ancestors date back to 1797, and my maternal line to 1684.
>>
>> As a kid I had the good fortune to visit with my father the ranchito where he and several of his siblings were born.
>>
>> I hope that Nuestros Ranchos will seriously consider including Nayarit. I made this request several years ago, since I believe that historically speaking this area was part of the geographical /political art of Colonial Mexico.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Paul J Gomez
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:59 PM, "Joseph Puentes" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What are the good reasons and bad reasons to open up the group to the states
>>> of Nayarit and Colima? Can y?all generate some discussion on that topic?
>>> Let?s hear the pros and cons.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you think that opening the group to those doing research in Nayarit and
>>> Colima would suddenly open the group to vast numbers of new members? Would
>>> the discussions wildly go into topics that would alienate the current
>>> membership? There are many members of the group that rarely speak out.
>>> Please consider stepping into this discussion. I?d like feel the groups
>>> pulse on this thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?Cu?les son las razones buenas y las razones malas para abrir el grupo a los
>>> Estados de Nayarit y Colima? ?Ustedes pueden generar alguna discusi?n sobre
>>> ese tema? Escuchemos los ideas buenas/malas de ese tema.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?Crees que si abrimos el grupo a aquellos que hacen investigaci?n en Nayarit
>>> y Colima abrir?a grandes cantidades de nuevos miembros al grupo? ?Las
>>> discusiones ir?a en temas que podr?a alienar a los miembros actuales? Hay
>>> muchos miembros del grupo que rara vez hablan. Por favor considere entrar en
>>> esta discusi?n. Me gustar?a sentir el pulso del grupo en este pensamiento
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph Puentes
>>>
>>> Clean@h2opodcast.com
>>>
>>> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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