Research Digest, Vol 102, Issue 1

Thanks Linda Castañon -Long if you like to share with me you info maybe I
can dig something out and help you in the process because this way I have
got other info also I found online some stories of valparaiso its called
Valparaiso de.mis recuerdos and colotlan en llamas blog reading this may
give you hints of where to look there I saw sone Castañon mentioned. You
can google the names I told you to read the stories!!
El jul 1, 2014 5:11 PM,
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> 1. Re: Toribio Garcia (Mia Montemayor)
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> 4. Re: Research Digest, Vol 101, Issue 23 (Barbara Melendez)
> 5. Castanon in Valparaiso, Zac (Erlinda Castanon-Long)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 21:41:02 -0700
> From: Mia Montemayor
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Toribio Garcia
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> > Thanks Daniel and Christopher. I wanted to be sure I was on the right
> path
> > -Mia
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> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT)
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> BUENOS DIAS A TODOS
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> ALGUIEN TIENE EL ARCHIVO DEL TESTAMENTO DE BERNARDO RUIZ DE ESPARZA ESPOSO
> DE CATALINA LOSANO?
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> ALGUIEN ME LO PODRIA PASAR O DECIR COMO BUSCARLO?
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> SE LOS AGRADECERIA MUCHO
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> EXCELENTE DIA
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> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 07:37:04 -0700 (PDT)
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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] CRISTOBAL RUIZ DE ESPARZA Y ANTONIA DE
> ALVARADO
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> CRISTOBAL RUIZ DE ESPARZA HIJO DE BERNARDO RUIZ DE ESPARZA Y CATALINA
> LOSANO
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> CRISTOBAL RUIZ ESPOSO DE ANTONIA DE ALVARADO
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> LA PREGUNTA ALGUIEN TIENE INFORMACION DEL LINAJE DE ANTONIA DE ALVARADO?
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> SE LOS AGRADEZCO MUCHO
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> EXCELENTE DIA A TODO
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> GRACIAS POR LA ATENCION PRESTADA
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 09:41:54 -0500
> From: Barbara Melendez
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
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> Hello!! I see some Casta?on ancestors in this mail can someone tell me.if
> they have info about a Gertrudis Casta?on I think she.was from Jalisco and
> moved to Valparaiso Zacatecas there married Crisanto Guizar (Huizar) around
> the 1800 to 1850 or so, I have a branch of my family undefinied there.
> Please help!!!
> El jun 29, 2014 5:08 PM,
> escribi?:
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> > 1. Jalisco Church Records are back on line
> > (rruizgenealogy@ix.netcom.com)
> > 2. Re: Toribio Garcia (IChristopher)
> > 3. Re: Toribio Garcia (Daniel Alejandro M?ndez de Torres y Camino)
> > 4. Too many Nicolases (zapvive1@msn.com)
> > 5. Re: Too many Nicolases (Erlinda Castanon-Long)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:33:00 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: rruizgenealogy@ix.netcom.com
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalisco Church Records are back on line
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> > I think it's just the dispensation records; I looked at just a few other
> > Jalisco records, which were fine. I did send them a message, but I have
> no
> > idea how long it will take for them to fix it.
> >
> > Rosalinda
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:03:31 -0700
> > From: IChristopher
> > To: "research@NuestrosRanchos.com"
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Toribio Garcia
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> > Hi Mia,
> >
> > Technically, it would not be possible to be an Indio if the father was an
> > espa?ol, and fairly unlikely to be a mulato, unless the mother was
> actually
> > black, but, in reality the?colonial caste system was mostly based on
> > appearance and features and?not on a thorough investigation into?their
> > racial or ethnic background. I'm guessing that your question is related
> to
> > Toribio Garc?a de Le?n. You are correct that he is?espa?ol, but, if you
> > look at George Fulton's Aguascalientes Matrimonial Information here:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/18014?
> >
> > you'll see that Toribio Garcia de Leon married a Mulata named Juana
> > Hernandes,?so, although their children should be?more accurately
> classified
> > as Moriscos,?any number of other?caste labels are possible based on their
> > appearance. ?
> >
> > Here is the actual IM for Toribio?Garc?a de Le?n and Juana Hernandes?:
> >
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11671-65970-66?cc=1502404&wc=M6QF-M29:64894501,64894502,69942101
> > ?
> > Toribio Garc?a de Le?n was baptized on 1 May 1669 in Aguascalientes:
> >
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12047-90519-12?cc=1502404&wc=M6Q6-FN5:64894501,64894502,64903801
> >
> > As it says on his baptism and Informaci?n Matrimonial, he is the son of
> > Juan Garc?a de Le?n and Juana de Ulloa.?The?last will and testament of
> > Bartolom? Garc?a de Le?n confirms that he and his first wife Antonia de
> > C?ceres are the?parents of Juan Garc?a de Le?n.
> >
> > Bartolom? Garc?a de Le?n?married?Antonia de C?ceres in Aguascalientes on
> > 24 Feb 1636:
> >
> >
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51976-86?cc=1502404&wc=M99K-S5T:n921599493
> > ?
> > Antonia de Caceres died around 21 Jun 1646 from childbirth:
> >
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-145304-59?cc=1502404&wc=M6QX-Y3D:64894501,64894502,69035101
> > ?
> > Bartolom? Garc?a de Le?n died 27 Mar 1679 in Aguascalientes:
> >
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-147019-59?cc=1502404&wc=M6QX-Y3D:64894501,64894502,69035101
> > ?
> > That's all the information I know.
> >
> > Good luck in your search,
> >
> > Christopher de Cuellar
> >
> >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:31:53 -0700
> > From: Daniel Alejandro M?ndez de Torres y Camino
> >
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Toribio Garcia
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> >
> > Mia,
> >
> > There were in fact members of the Garc?a de Le?n who mixed with other
> > caste and did produce mulatos. They continued using their last names, I
> > have also found a couple ilegitimate lines in Aguascalientes, Celaya and
> > Teocaltiche.
> >
> > Daniel M?ndez de Torres Camino
> >
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: zapvive1@msn.com
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Too many Nicolases
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> >
> > Saludos Ignacio,
> >
> > Frankly, I thought for a while before responding the first time because I
> > was afraid my comments would appear condescending; but then I realized
> that
> > I would hope that others would lead me in the correct direction, as they
> > sometimes have.
> >
> > The problem, I believe, is that there are so many people with similar or
> > exactly the same names. I think the best we can do is exactly what we are
> > doing: Collaborating with each other. That is why it is so important to
> > investigate, research, remain vigilant,keep an open mind, and share.
> Forums
> > like Nuestros Ranchos provide us the opportunity to work with each other
> on
> > this common pursuit.
> >
> > And the search continues!!!
> > Deedra Corona
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:14:51 -0700
> > From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> > To: "research@NuestrosRanchos.com"
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Too many Nicolases
> > Message-ID:
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> > I've found that sometimes it's in the descendants marriage information
> > records that I can put the correct families together especially if there
> is
> > a marriage dispensation. That's means that it may take up to 4
> generations
> > to find the answers we are looking for. The answer is sharing since
> seldom
> > can one can find?all the information alone.
> > Linda in Olympia, Wa
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:56 AM, "zapvive1@msn.com"
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Saludos Ignacio,
> >
> > Frankly, I thought for a while before responding the first time because I
> > was afraid my comments would appear condescending; but then I realized
> that
> > I would hope that others would lead me in the correct direction, as they
> > sometimes have.
> >
> > The problem, I believe, is that there are so many people with similar or
> > exactly the same names. I think the best we can do is exactly what we are
> > doing:? Collaborating with each other. That is why it is so important to
> > investigate, research, remain vigilant,keep an open mind, and share.
> Forums
> > like Nuestros Ranchos provide us the opportunity to work with each other
> on
> > this common pursuit.
> >
> > And the search continues!!!
> > Deedra Corona
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 07:56:48 -0700
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com"
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castanon in Valparaiso, Zac
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> Barbara my Castanon line came from Valparaiso, Zac to Jerez, Zac in abt
> 1750 but I haven't found any records for them before that. I do not have
> the Gertrudis Castanon you ask abt in my records. I will let you know if I
> ever find the records for the earlier years in Valparaiso.
> Linda Castanon-Long
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