General Digest, Vol 85, Issue 8 request for sources regarding Mendez reply to Vigil inquiry

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1. Re: Montes y Vigil (Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino)
2. Re: Montes y Vigil (Erlinda Castanon-Long)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 07:46:30 -0800
From: Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Montes y Vigil
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Joseph and Tricia:

This is my grandmother?s line she was born in Albuquerque, New Mexico in
1929, but was grew up in the San Francisco/Oakland area during the 40-50s.
She descends from Francisco Montes de Vigil son of Capt. Francisco Montes de
Vigil and Mar?a Jim?nez de Ancizo, the couple before mentioned. Through
their son, Francisco Montes y Vigil who married Lorenza Quintana de Molina
Medina married on 28 June 1744 in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Through sucession,
this line would later marry into Lucero de Godoy, Romero and Ch?vez y Dur?n,
whom my grandmother descends.

Everyone probably already knows the following, but it never gets too old,
One word of caution with FamilySearch Pedigree Resource File, never take it
to be the last deciding voice. It seems people like to publish facts without
supporting records on certain ocassions. I have found on numerous ocasions
errors to these so-called genealogies in which I had to correct and even
reconstruct entire genealogical trees. Always support facts with records,
the Montes y Vigil famiy is rich in records, familysearch, microfilm, PARES,
and various instituitions in Mexico City, Valladolid, Madrid and so on.
Various authors have also published numerous articles and books on the New
Mexico families that can be of use. I have not followed this line with much
attention, but every now and then I get a spark of interest.

The house of Santillana is definately linked to this family, for Montes de
Vigil were from Asturias and Santillana was established in this principality
and in the nearby Cantabria area at the end of XIV century. From here the
family would spread over the Iberian peninsula and the New World.

For example, the 1611 crossing of Juan Montes de Vigil to the new world is
compromised of 24 pages, a certain portion was extracted to appear in the
search results. How many have read all 24 pages? I know I have finished
reading all 24. Through this and other important records, especially the
Ejuecutorias de Hidalgu?a (Proof of Nobility) the earliest we find
registered is 24 Nov 1587 in Valladolid, where Pedro Montes Vigil executes
before the Chancillery. A quick overview would easily set the Vigil family a
family of the Asturian nobility. The name is a bit older than we think it
appears somewhere at the end of XV and XVI centuries. Someone compounded
this surname, but who? From what I have researched Vigil is the main trunk
of the family. It splits into three branches, Montes Vigil, Vigil and de
Vigil Quino?es. Montes Vigil was probably a result of a female member of the
Vigil family marrying a man of "lower status" as to hidalgu?a, and therefore
was to continue to carry on
the Vigil surname, a very common trait during this period of research and
especially place.

If we were to study the ejecutorias de Hidalgu?a we would find out that Juan
Montes de Vigil married Catalina de Santillana Herrera, (Catalina has
nothing to do with Vigil) researchers have attached the Vigil to her. I have
not identified her parents, since the ejecutoria only applies to the male
line, this is her husband. Juan II would be son of Juan Montes de Vigil and
Mar?a de Vigil. Juan would be grandson of Lucas Montes de Vigil and Isabel
de Vigil and Francisco de Vigil and Catalina de Arguelles y Quino?es, this
last couple being the founders of the surname Vigil y Quino?es. If we
notice, Juan Montes de Vigil has three lines of Vigil, which is very common
in this period in Cantabria-Asturias. These families were very old and
reknown, mostly descendants of the original Christian warriors from the
VIII-X centuries.

The Vigil family was very well established since the XV century, they had
proved their lineage, their hidalgu?a (which is different from those who
inherit titles), hidalgos are nobles by birth through their paternal line,
on the contrary those titled must depend on titles of their ancestors. They
held various postitions in government, notably regidor del consejo, which
was strictly for hijosdalgos during the XVI-XVIII centuries. Many
descendants entered into various orders of knighthood, Santiago, Calatrava,
etc. There is much research to do with this family.

Genealogy is not just a hobby, though it may start out as one. It is a
rigorous inestigation process, reports to be complied, records to be
archived, books to be purchased, read, analyzed and reported. Deductions
based on reason, facts, and many other types of records: wills, land grants,
journals, passages, limpeza de sangre, ejecutoria de higalgu?a, probanza de
nobleza. Baptismal, Marriages and Deaths from the Catholic Church are the
basic, and very least of records. There are many archives to be accessed. In
my family?s home we have an entire room dedicated to genealogy, our archive
is enormous, last time I counted it had at least 50 boxes worth of records,
each registered and filed, each box with at least 1200 records of some sort.
My grandfather initialized this great work. I am now obtaining digitzalied
records of everything to store in case of a distaster. For us Latter-day
Saints genealogy is much more. It truly is a work and requires dedication
and study and research
. But it?s very fulfilling to know who we are and where we come from and
where were going.

These are my few lines, now that I have seen I have prolonged this reponse,
I hope this helps in some way.

Daniel M?ndez de Torres Camino

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:22:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: "general@nuestrosranchos.com"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Montes y Vigil
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well written Daniel..
Linda

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From: Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Montes y Vigil

Joseph and Tricia:

This is my grandmother?s line she was born in Albuquerque, New Mexico in
1929, but was grew up in the San Francisco/Oakland area during the 40-50s.
She descends from Francisco Montes de Vigil son of Capt. Francisco Montes de
Vigil and Mar?a Jim?nez de Ancizo, the couple before mentioned. Through
their son, Francisco Montes y Vigil who married Lorenza Quintana de Molina
Medina married on 28 June 1744 in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Through sucession,
this line would later marry into Lucero de Godoy, Romero and Ch?vez y Dur?n,
whom my grandmother descends.

Everyone probably already knows the following, but it never gets too old,
One word of caution with FamilySearch Pedigree Resource File, never take it
to be the last deciding voice. It seems people like to publish facts without
supporting records on certain ocassions. I have found on numerous ocasions
errors to these so-called genealogies in which I had to correct and even
reconstruct entire genealogical trees. Always support facts with records,
the Montes y Vigil famiy is rich in records, familysearch, microfilm, PARES,
and various instituitions in Mexico City, Valladolid, Madrid and so on.
Various authors have also published numerous articles and books on the New
Mexico families that can be of use. I have not followed this line with much
attention, but every now and then I get a spark of interest.

The house of Santillana is definately linked to this family, for Montes de
Vigil were from Asturias and Santillana was established in this principality
and in the nearby Cantabria area at the end of XIV century. From here the
family would spread over the Iberian peninsula and the New World.

For example, the 1611 crossing of Juan Montes de Vigil to the new world is
compromised of 24 pages, a certain portion was extracted to appear in the
search results. How many have read all 24 pages? I know I have finished
reading all 24. Through this and other important records, especially the
Ejuecutorias de Hidalgu?a (Proof of Nobility) the earliest we find
registered is 24 Nov 1587 in Valladolid, where Pedro Montes Vigil executes
before the Chancillery. A quick overview would easily set the Vigil family a
family of the Asturian nobility. The name is a bit older than we think it
appears somewhere at the end of XV and XVI centuries. Someone compounded
this surname, but who? From what I have researched Vigil is the main trunk
of the family. It splits into three branches, Montes Vigil, Vigil and de
Vigil Quino?es. Montes Vigil was probably a result of a female member of the
Vigil family marrying a man of "lower status" as to hidalgu?a, and therefore
was
to continue to carry on the Vigil surname, a very common trait during this
period of research and especially place.

If we were to study the ejecutorias de Hidalgu?a we would find out that Juan
Montes de Vigil married Catalina de Santillana Herrera, (Catalina has
nothing to do with Vigil) researchers have attached the Vigil to her. I have
not identified her parents, since the ejecutoria only applies to the male
line, this is her husband. Juan II would be son of Juan Montes de Vigil and
Mar?a de Vigil. Juan would be grandson of Lucas Montes de Vigil and Isabel
de Vigil and Francisco de Vigil and Catalina de Arguelles y Quino?es, this
last couple being the founders of the surname Vigil y Quino?es. If we
notice, Juan Montes de Vigil has three lines of Vigil, which is very common
in this period in Cantabria-Asturias. These families were very old and
reknown, mostly descendants of the original Christian warriors from the
VIII-X centuries.

The Vigil family was very well established since the XV century, they had
proved their lineage, their hidalgu?a (which is different from those who
inherit titles), hidalgos are nobles by birth through their paternal line,
on the contrary those titled must depend on titles of their ancestors. They
held various postitions in government, notably regidor del consejo, which
was strictly for hijosdalgos during the XVI-XVIII centuries. Many
descendants entered into various orders of knighthood, Santiago, Calatrava,
etc. There is much research to do with this family.

Genealogy is not just a hobby, though it may start out as one. It is a
rigorous inestigation process, reports to be complied, records to be
archived, books to be purchased, read, analyzed and reported. Deductions
based on reason, facts, and many other types of records: wills, land grants,
journals, passages, limpeza de sangre, ejecutoria de higalgu?a, probanza de
nobleza. Baptismal, Marriages and Deaths from the Catholic Church are the
basic, and very least of records. There are many archives to be accessed. In
my family?s home we have an entire room dedicated to genealogy, our archive
is enormous, last time I counted it had at least 50 boxes worth of records,
each registered and filed, each box with at least 1200 records of some sort.
My grandfather initialized this great work. I am now obtaining digitzalied
records of everything to store in case of a distaster. For us Latter-day
Saints genealogy is much more. It truly is a work and requires
dedication and study and research. But it?s very fulfilling to know who we
are and where we come from and where were going.

These are my few lines, now that I have seen I have prolonged this reponse,
I hope this helps in some way.

Daniel M?ndez de Torres Camino
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