Research Digest, Vol 84, Issue 12

With many stories they can get jumbled through the generations. My father's aunt married into the de Alba family from San Juan, so I have done a little research. I have a Jose Teodoro de Alba baptized 02 Apr 1854 in San Juan whose parents were Gabino & Inez de Alba. Gabino's mother was a Gonzales: Ma Dolores Gonzales. His father was Ramon de Alba, so there still may be some truth to the story. In my research as I told Steve, some stories turn out to be true, and some not so true. :)
Irma Gomez Gtz
N. California

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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:36:57 -0500
From: "Joseph Puentes"
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Not the same year or mother's surname but same date and month in San Juan:

name: Jose Teodoro Alba Alba
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 02 Apr 1854
baptism/christening place: SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO
father's name: Gabino Alba
mother's name: Ynes Alba
indexing project (batch) number: C60340-2
system origin: Mexico-ODM
source film number: 220661
reference number:
Citing this Record
"Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9Y9-LPX : accessed 14 Jan 2013),
Jose Teodoro Alba Alba, 02 Apr 1854; citing SAN JUAN DE LOS
LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 220661.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.com [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.com] On Behalf Of Steve Compton
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:41 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alba family
>
> I'm trying to find more information about the family of my great
grandfather. His name
> was Teodoro Alba. Most of the information we have about his origins come
from stories
> passed down from him to his children, so they should be regarded as more
legend than
> fact. This includes that he was born in or near Guadalajara around 1856 or
1857. His
> father, whose surname was Alba, had stowed away on a ship from Spain to
Mexico. His
> mother's surname was Gonzales and she was of Mayan descent. He had several
siblings,
> but we don't know their names. At some point the father left and returned
to Spain.
> Teodoro joined the Mexican army while still a teenager, deserted and
crossed into Texas
> sometime between 1875 and 1880. There he became an accomplished cowboy. He
> gradually adapted the American spelling of Alby.
>
>
>
> He married Mary Ellen Marks in Bonham, Texas on October 8, 1891. They had
7 children,
> 4 of whom lived. His wife Mary Ellen died shortly after 1910.
> Around 1920, he and his children settled in Bixby, Oklahoma where they
came to own
> several businesses. He was affectionately known to everyone in this small
town as "Dad"
> Alby. His citizenship paper in 1938 describes him as 81 years of age; a
white male of
> medium complexion; blue eyes; grey hair; five feet, three inches in height
and widowed.
> He died in Bixby on December 18, 1943.
>
>
>
> Some in the family believe was actually born in San Juan de los Lagos. I
have found a
> birth record for a Teodoro Alva Terrones born on April 2, 1857 in that
location.
>
>
>
> Any leads would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> scompton

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:05:52 -0600
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alba family
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Teodoro Alva Terrones doesn't line up with your great grandfather saying
that his mother's surname was Gonz?lez. What does line up is that the
mother of Teodoro Alva Terrones has relatives whose baptisms show them to
be indios. There weren't any Mayas in Jalisco but your great grandfather
likely meant Mexican Indians.

Teodoro Alva Terrones was the great grandson of Juan Jos? de Alba and
Antonia Gertrudis de Esparza y Fuentes. Juan Jos? de Alba was an hijo
natural of Clara de Alba. Therefore the paternal surname of Juan Jos? de
Alba is not known.

Jose Teodoro Alba Alba baptized 2 Apr 1854 doesn't line up with any of the
maternal surnames being Gonz?lez nor does it line up with the mother being
Indian nor does it line up with the age of your great grandfather. All four
of the grandparents of Jose Teodoro Alba were documented as espa?oles
meaning Jose Teodoro Alba Alba they didn't have recent ancestors that were
indios.

No matter what, if you don't have the first and last name of both of the
parents of your great grandfather there is no way to know for sure who his
parents were. There are many baptisms that are missing from the records.
You could ask a relative that descends through the paternal line to get a
37 marker Y-DNA test. The two of you could also get a Family Finder test.
However, there are no guarantees that you would find anything definitive.
For those tests to work to your advantage other people with documented
trees would have had to have taken the tests. However, it does seem to be
one of the few options that you have left to try.

Regards,
Armando

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Steve Compton wrote:

> I'm trying to find more information about the family of my great
> grandfather. His name was Teodoro Alba. Most of the information we have
> about his origins come from stories passed down from him to his children,
> so
> they should be regarded as more legend than fact. This includes that he was
> born in or near Guadalajara around 1856 or 1857. His father, whose surname
> was Alba, had stowed away on a ship from Spain to Mexico. His mother's
> surname was Gonzales and she was of Mayan descent. He had several siblings,
> but we don't know their names. At some point the father left and returned
> to
> Spain. Teodoro joined the Mexican army while still a teenager, deserted and
> crossed into Texas sometime between 1875 and 1880. There he became an
> accomplished cowboy. He gradually adapted the American spelling of Alby.
>
>
>
> He married Mary Ellen Marks in Bonham, Texas on October 8, 1891. They had 7
> children, 4 of whom lived. His wife Mary Ellen died shortly after 1910.
> Around 1920, he and his children settled in Bixby, Oklahoma where they came
> to own several businesses. He was affectionately known to everyone in this
> small town as "Dad" Alby. His citizenship paper in 1938 describes him as 81
> years of age; a white male of medium complexion; blue eyes; grey hair; five
> feet, three inches in height and widowed. He died in Bixby on December 18,
> 1943.
>
>
>
> Some in the family believe was actually born in San Juan de los Lagos. I
> have found a birth record for a Teodoro Alva Terrones born on April 2, 1857
> in that location.
>
>
>
> Any leads would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> scompton
>
>
>