Research Digest, Vol 72, Issue 21

Melchor Reynoso is probably in the old microfisches of the LDS church, if you can find a Family History Center which still has them.  They are the Catholic parish records, filmed and extracted in the 1950's.  Some of the original parish records are now filmed and online at Wikki.  I'm not sure of the link....

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  1. Re: (no subject) (drfelix44@gmail.com)
  2. Re: Melchor Reynoso?need proof o f parentage (b. ca. 1695)
      and marriage (ca. 1724) (Armando)
  3. Santana and Gomes-Garcia,  descendents (gloriad@jps.net)
  4. Re: Pirateria en datos genealogicos. (Joseph Puentes)
  5. MEJOR PROGRAMA PARA GUARDAR LOS DATOS
      (victor_manuel_gp@yahoo.com.mx)
  6. Legacy (enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com)
  7. Numbers on Holcomb FG Sheets (gpf13@aol.com)
  8. Re: Numbers on Holcomb FG Sheets (Armando)
  9. education in Mexico (longsjourney@yahoo.com)
  10. Re: education in Mexico (rubenhernandez57@comcast.net)
  11. Re: education in Mexico (Alicia Carrillo)
  12. Mistakes of Marriage Records in Signatures
      (enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com)

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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:34:17 -0800 (PST)
From: drfelix44@gmail.com
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FELIX MUNOZ GUERRERO
Pues mi bisabuelo nacio en el salitre cerca de Tlachichila y lo bautizaron en Nochistlan, era Jose Felix Macias Hernandez ( Macias Hernandez)

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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:29:03 -0600
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Melchor Reynoso?need proof o f
    parentage (b. ca. 1695) and marriage (ca. 1724)
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Based on the information Esther provided I figured she got that from the
old familysearch site which still has data submitted by the researcher
Jaime Holcombe Isunza. I searched it and found two records
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=600007891580&lds=1®ion=10®ionfriendly=Mexico&frompage=99and
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500329487923&lds=1®ion=10®ionfriendly=Mexico&frompage=99
Those records were likely submitted by Jaime Holcombe. If you order copies
of the sheets submitted you should see annotations of the source of
information that will include the name of the records such as Bautismo,
Matrimonio, Informaci?n Matrimonial, or Dispensa, the record numbers which
I still haven't figured out, and the year of the record. That way you can
try and hunt down everything Jaime Holcombe had when he submitted the
sheets. You can order copies of the records through mail or go online to
have the microfilm sent to your local family history center.

If anyone can tell me what those numbers in parentheses mean I would
appreciate it. Here is an example for a sheet Jaime submitted for the
family of Tomas Villalobos and Catarina Macias Valadez -

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, Jalisco: Dispensas Matrimoniales (6118) 1749;
(6123) 1734; (6135) 1756;  (6155) 1693; (6485) 1709; ........
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes: Bautismos (17,062) 1635; 1637;  1641;
1643......Informacion Matrimonial (17,172) 1702..
Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco:  Matrimonios (3670) 1656...........

Armando

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Esther Jordan wrote:

> Here's my two cents:
> I found a Francisco De Reynoso y Padilla (1630-1689) married 1659 to
> Josepha De Renteria y Baldes (1642-) in Guadalajara, Jalisco.  They  have
> have many children and one of them is *Sebastian Reynoso Renteria
> (1665-1744) in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.  He died April  11, 1744*.
> I think Armando has all this information already.
>
> Sebastian Reynoso Renteria (1665-1744) married Francisca Ramirez de
> Hermosillo (1672-1738) in 1693, Nuestra Senora de la Asuncion, Jalostitlan,
> Jalisco.  They have many children.  The first one listed is *Maria Ana De
> Reinoso (1694) followed by Melchor (1695-1784), *plus others.  It also
> shows Melchor married to Maria de San Juan Gonzales Rubio (1705-).
> Armando has great advice for you about looking for Informacion Matrimonial,
> etc.
> Esther Jordan Lopez
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:31 AM, wrote:
>
> > Both my wife and I descend from this couple.  I have a marriage date
> > ca.1724 but have also not found the record. I have Melchor d.15dec1784. I
> > descend from Vicente Ceferino b  10sep1727 Jalos 24jan1808 m. 13feb1752.
> I
> > also descend from another son, Ignacio m. 11feb1767 in tepa d 1mar1817 my
> > wife descend from their sister ana Francisca m. 18feb1756.
> > Sebastian Reynoso d 11apr1744 and his wife francisca ramirez died 23jun
> > 1728.  They may have left wills or other documentation showing melchor
> as
> > their son.
> > RA Ricci
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lbouett@yahoo.com
> > Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:39:29
> > To:
> > Reply-To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Melchor Reynoso?need proof o
> >        f parentage (b. ca. 1695) and marriage (ca.
> >        1724)
> >
> > Melchor Reynoso (b. ca. 1695) is the earliest documented Reynoso in the
> > line I am researching in Jalostotitl?n. I know it is widely assumed that
> he
> > is the son of Sebasti?n Reynoso y Renteria and Mar?a Francisca Ramires de
> > Hermosillo, who are documented many times over through the baptisms
> > ((Mariana, Manuel, Francisco, and Juan Toribio) and marriages (Mariana,
> > Miguel Geronimo, and Juan Toribio) of several of their children.
> >
> > Melchor Reynoso married Mar?a de San Juan Gonsales Rubio ca. 1724.  I
> have
> > searched, frame-by-frame, the marriages from Jalostotitl?n (FHL Film
> > 279295) between 1720 and 1725, but have been unable to locate the
> marriage.
> >  The marriage is proved by statements in the subsequent marriage records
> of
> > several of their children (Vicente Ceferino, Joseph Antonio, Mar?a
> Manuela,
> > and Anna Francisca), but I have been unable to locate the 1724 marriage
> of
> > Melchor.
> >
> > If anyone has proof of either the marriage of Melchor Reynoso and Mar?a
> de
> > San Juan Gonsales Rubio or the birth of Melchor (which should provide the
> > names of his parents), I should be most grateful.
> >
> > I have been deeply involved in the online Jalisco records at
> > FamilySearch.org for about seven months and have made spectacular
> progress
> > on many lines.  I hope eventually to be able to provide assistance to
> > others whose lines may cross the ones I am researching; but, in the
> > meantime, I am deeply impressed by the level of research and
> documentation
> > that is being done by members of this forum (to which, I am new).
> >
> > Thank you, and good hunting,
> > Lawrence Bouett
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