Reynoso/Conrique mutual linkages with Hurtado de Mendoza lines, and others ...

Ronnie,

My research notes confirm the 6 marriage entries in your message, today.

Also, as you stated, the convoluted relationships that resulted from the
marriages of siblings in one family marrying siblings in another family and
then, descendants of those marriages (third-, second- and sometimes
first-cousins) inter-marrying again (which commonly happened among the
founding Spanish families in Los Altos) can be sometimes difficult to
define. I can keep them starlight using a couple of comprehensive
genealogy software programs that do it for me. I use Legacy Family Tree
from Millennia, in conjunction with PAF from Family Search.org

What software program(s) do you use?

As to my linkages to Toribio Hernandez the Arellano (and the Hurtado de
Mendoza line):
They derive primarily (with some multiplicities here and elsewhere as noted
above) from Sebastian Ramirez de Mendoza (born about 1608) marrying Maria
Hermosillo about 1633, in Jalostotitlan.

Sebastian was the son of Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza and Gonzalo Ramirez de
Arellano, who married about 1607 in Jalostotitlan.

Isabel was the daughter of Rodrigo de Olivares and Maria Hurtado de
Mendoza. They married about 1588 in Lagos de Moreno.

Maria was the daughter of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano and Isabel Hurtado
de Mendoza (shown repeatedly on the records as Isabel Velasco).

Isabel and Toribio also had 2 other daughters:
Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, who married Alvaro Ornelas in Lagos de Moreno on
October 29, 1586; - - - and Marta de Mendoza, who married Juan Sanchez de
Lara on January 6, 1587.

Sebastian (above) was the Great Grandfather of Dona Maria Juana Inez
Maldonado Lozano (born 2 March 1727 in San Juan de los Lagos) who married
Don Francisco Conrique, my 6G Grandfather.

So, as you say, somos primos, ....and I look forward to hearing from you
again !

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

> [Original Message]
> From: Ronald Reynoso
> To:
> Date: 2/17/2008 1:26:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Somos Primos
>
>
> Hola Efrain,Its kind of hard to tell how I tie in with Isabel Hurtado de
Mendoza and Toribio Hernandez de Arellano. I can give you a round about
number, its a mess .
> Isabel and Toribio 2 daughters---
> 1)Maria hurtado de Mendoza Married to Rodrigo Olivares
> 4 daughters -
> a)Isabel Olivares la Menor married to Juan Jimenez
> 2 of this couple children are my ancestors
>
> b) Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza married to Luis Padilla Davila
> 1 child of this couple are my ancestor
>
> c) Catalina de Mendoza married to Manuel Gomez
> 2 of this couple are my ancestors
>
> d) Francisca Hurtado de Mendoza married to Francisco Gutierrez Rubio
> 2 of this couple are my ancestors plus through their children
>
> 2) Isabel Sanchez de Mendoza married to Alvaro Ornelas
> 1 child of this couple os my ancestor
>
> Efrain ,I'm not counting because I get confused ,I also have more
ancestor hook up via through the children of the people have
mentioned.This is just fraction of the confusion or mess I have in my
backround .There is so much intermarriage in my backround its mind
boggling,so when I sign off saying ---Ronnie Reynoso pariente acasi todos
de Los Altos de Jalisco ---I pretty close .
> I probably related to almost every major Founder of all of the towns in
Los Altos . I would venture to say I'm probably related to almost every
body in Nuestros Ranchos that have ancestors in the Los Altos area. To me
this is kind of freaky/wierd but if it didn't happen this way I would not
have been born ,so I guess I really can't complain for the actions of my
ancestors.
> I await your reply
> Ronnie Reynoso pariente acsi todos de Los Altos
> SOMOS PRIMOS
>
> > From: conrique1@earthlink.net> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com> Date:
Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:27:40 -0800> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Somos
Primos> > Ronald,> > I am familiar with Inclan's research and it is well
respected.> > Also, and independent of Inclan's research, I can confirm
through my own> research in my family tree, that Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza
(aka Isabel> Velasco de Mendoza and wife of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano)
was the> daughter of Ana Maria de Cardenas Francisco Hurtado de Mendoza,
Marquez de> Almazan... ... and on and on for many generations.> > Where do
you tie in with this line?> > Efrain Conrique> San Diego, California> > > >
[Original Message]> > From: Ronald Reynoso > > To:
research@NuestrosRanchos.com > > Date:
2/16/2008 12:08:48 PM> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Somos Primos> >> >> >
Hola a todos de Nuestros Ranchos. I was browsing at www.somosprimos.com>
went to the search block and put- padilla
> davila. I then scrolled to > Descendents of Lord Pedro Gonzalez de
Mendoza,compiled by John D Inclan. I> appears according to what I read that
I and many if not all of us are> related to all of the people of Mexico
,Texas,and New Mexico. John Inclans> research touches much of Jalisco
,Zacatecas ,Aguascalientes ,All the north> eastern states of Mexico
,Texas,and New Mexico. I was was tripping. If any> one has an e-mail to
John D Inclan I would like to ask him if any of the> Hurtado de Mendoza are
tha same as an in example of Isabel Hurtado de> Mendoza wife of Toribio
Hernandez de Arellano. I was wondering also what> you members opinion of
John Inclan research .> > Ronnie Reynoso > > pariente acasi todos de Los
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