Santa Rosalia de Camargo

Yolanda,
My grandfather Antonio Portillo was born in Santa Rosalia in 1888. Would you
be so kind as to look in your data base for any information concerning this
part of my family. On his mother's side the surname is either Gamero,
Gomero, or something similar. I believe he had a sister named Juana.
By the way I lived In Las Cruces most of my life, but now am living in
Austin.

Thanks in advance for any help.
Gilbert Paez
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1. Re: Los "de Angola" (Bill Figueroa)
2. Re: Santa Rosalia - Angola (Bill Figueroa)
3. Re: Santa Rosalia (tex1@clearwire.net)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:00:04 -0600
From: "Bill Figueroa"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los "de Angola"
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Hola Felipe,

Estoy seguro que el v?nculo al que te refieres es real, porque he encontrado
referencias en los registros de Aguascalientes que indican que muchos
hacendados ten?an esclavos originarios de Angola. Sin embargo, esto no
tiene nada que ver con el caso del Sr. Cruz Bustamante. El hecho que alguien
escribi? en su record "Aguascalientes, Angola" es probablemente un error
cometido por la persona que hizo el ?ndice que de Ancestry.com. Yo supuse
que Lupe se refer?a a tiempos m?s antiguos porque no hab?a le?do sus correos
anteriores.

Bueno, ya que tocamos el tema de los esclavos en M?xico, debo decirte que
creo que muchos eran originarios de Angola. He visto en algunos registros
que a esclavas negras no bautizadas se les daba como apellido el nombre de
su pa?s de origen. As? por ejemplo he encontrado algunas con nombres como
Mar?a de Angola, Juana Angola, etc. Lo mismo pasaba con los indios. He
encontrado a una Mar?a Chichimeca, etc. Es probable que as? se haya
originado el apellido Angola que mencionas en tu correo.

Como sabr?s, los Portugueses llevaron grandes cantidades de esclavos a
Brazil. Era un negocio que extendieron al resto de Iberoam?rica, incluyendo
la Nueva Espa?a. Otra raz?n puede ser que haya sido el idioma, ya que el
portugu?s es muy parecido al castellano. El portugu?s suena como un espa?ol
muy antiguo. Nunca he tenido dificultad comunic?ndome con Portugueses y
Angolanos en su propio idioma, ellos habl?ndome a mi en portugu?s y yo
contest?ndoles en castellano. Es mejor as? que mezclar los dos idiomas en
lo que se conoce conoce como "portu?ol" (mitad portugu?s y mitad espa?ol.

Volviendo al tema, es un hecho que la mayor?a de hacendados tuvieron
esclavos en los siglos XVI y XVII. Mis propios antepasados tuvieron
esclavos negros, no solo en M?xico sino en Centroam?rica. Por ejemplo, el
registro de Defunciones de Aguascalientes dice que "En doce d?as del dicho
mes y a?o [12 Sep 1634] enterr? a un mulato de la estancia de San Bartolom?.
D?josele una misa". La hacienda de San Bartolo era propiedad de Luis
Tiscare?o de Molina y Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. M?s adelante hay otra
partida de defunci?n que dice textualmente "En tres dias del mes de henero
de el a?o de 1636 enterre a una negra esclava que truxieron de la estancia
de lope ruis de esparsa dixosele una missa". La estancia de Lope Ruiz de
Esparza era conocida como Morcenique, or Morci?ique, por quedar en las
m?rgenes de dicho r?o. Datos similares aparecen en casi todos los registros
parroquiales y en los padrones de Aguascalientes, empezando con el de 1648.
Claro que hablamos de 100 a?os des
pu?s de la conquista, ya que los primeros esclavos africanos llegaron con
Hern?n Cort?s. Ya por 1636 se hab?an multiplicado y mezclado con la
poblaci?n ind?gena y espa?ola, dando lugar a muchas castas. Esto es m?s
notorio en el Estado de Veracruz, donde quedaron muchos de los descendientes
de los primeros esclavos que vinieron a laborar en la zafra de la ca?a de
az?car y en la siembra de otras cosechas que se dan all? por la fertilidad
de sus tierras.

Bueno Felipe, es todo por hoy. A ver que opinan los dem?s del grupo.

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:21:59 -0600
From: "Bill Figueroa"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia - Angola
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Cc: "M. Vallazza"
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Dear Marge,

My great-great-grandfather Antonio Frias Jasso moved to Tepic in 1848,
shortly after my great-great grandmother Refugio Ruiz de Esparza died in
Aguascalientes while giving birth to my great-grandmother Josefa Frias
Esparza. Josefa, her brother Antonio and her sisters Refugio, Virginia and
Natalia grew up in Tepic. Then in 1870 my great-grandmother married Wilhelm

L. Strecker, a German engineer. Three of their daughters were born in
Tepic. Wilhelm Strecker and Josefa Frias moved to Guatemala City in 1878,
where their son Guillermo was born in 1879. That child, Guillermo Strecker
Fr?as, was my grandfather. One of three daughters, Mar?a Teresa Strecker
Cabral, was my mother. I was also born in Guatemala, but now live in the
United States. That, in a nutshell, is where my Mexican ancestry starts. I

have traced the Ruiz de Esparza all the way back to Lope Ruiz de Esparza and

two generations before him. He arrived in Mexico City from Pamplona, Spain
in 1593.

My great-grandmother Josefa Frias Esparza lived in Tepic for approximately
31 years. I've found her family records without any difficulty, some at the

Cathedral in Tepic, others at the Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara

and the rest at the Archivo Historico del Estado de Nayarit. My wife and I
have done extensive genealogical research on that side of the family,
including fact-finding trips to Tepic in 2003 and 2004, to Aguascalientes in

2006 and of course to Guatemala for many year, where we have close
relatives.

I've seen the surname Najar in several documents, but not in genealogical
records. Unfortunately, I don't have any relatives with that surname, so
I'm afraid I cannot be of any help in that department. Sorry Marge.

Regards,
Bill Figueroa

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:30:22 -0500
From: tex1@clearwire.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia
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Yolanda,
I looked up my records...here's a good one. The death cert. (in hand)
states
date of birth for Cruz was May 3, 1876. Info given by my great uncle. The
information sheets I have him as DOB 4-26-1882 I have checked the census
for
1910 and 1920, both are different. one has him born 1884 and the other
1888.
I guess I really hadn't paid that much attention, as the family listed are
all
correct. I just checked the picture of his grave and it says he was
born 1877.
The stone was put on by his daughters, it does not have DOB, just died at
69
yrs old. Do you have any suggestions. I will get back write on the
Benedicto
and Petra names. I know I've come across those names. I want to talk to my
daughter to see what she has. Thanks
Lupe

Quoting Yolanda Bobby Perez :

> LUPE
> ARE YOUR MATERNAL G.GREATGRANDPARENTS JOSE FELIPE BENEDICTO GARCIA
> AND PETRA DOMINGUEZ ? DOUBLE CHECK YOUR G.GRANDFATHER CRUZ
> BUSTAMANTE'S DOB CAUSE ITS THE SAME AS RAFAELA. JUST TO MAKE SURE WE
> ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PLACE, IS YOUR FAMILY FROM SANTA ROSALIA
> DE CAMARGO, CHIHUAHUA? JUST CHECKING, ANY OTHER INFO YOU CAN THINK
> OF JUST SEND IT, IT MIGHT HELP. DO YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTS, SCAN THEM
> AND SEND THEM IF YOU LIKE.
> YOLANDA
>
> tex1@clearwire.net wrote:
> Yolanda,
> Thank you for your reply in helping me look for my family. First, I
> see you are
> from El Paso, I was born and raised there. What a small world.
> Anyway, I am looking for Cruz Bustamante Born 16, Aug. 1883 in Santa
> Rosalia, D.
> 1-May-1931. I know his grave in El Paso. He married Rafaela Garcia 1896. I
> believe at Guardian Angel Church in EP. Rafiela (another spelling) was
born
> 16, Aug. 1883. I believe also in the Santa Rosala area. She died in El
paso.
> My problem is I can't seem to find anything beyond my great grandfather
> Cruz. I
> also can't find much on Rafaela's brothers or sisters. I have only one
known
> sister, Ramona Garcia. Never married or children, born and died in El
Paso.
> Any help would be appreciated. I've never given out info for help, so
> I hope I
> gave you what you might need. Thanks again. Lupe
>
>
> Quoting Yolanda Bobby Perez :
>
>> Lupe
>>
>> Three of my grandparents were from that area Santa Rosalia de
>> Camargo, Chih. I have a small database for that area and if you give
>> me the names that you are looking for I will try and find some info
>> for you. Just give me a little information about them, a timeframe
>> parents whatever you have. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU AND ALL THE
>> RANCHOS GROUP
>>
>> Yolanda Medina Perez from El Paso
>>
>> Lupe Kerr wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I
>> have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any
>> record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth
>> cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe