Breakthrough

Reading of breakthroughs, reminds me of finding the name of my grandmother's
twin sister and the correct year of her birth. For as long as I can
remember, my grandmother, Concepción Martínez Tisnado de Monreal, had
debated with my great uncle, Miguel Martínez Tisnado, as to which of them
had been born in 1889.

Wanting to satisfy my curiosity, I consulted the IGI; however, my
grandmother
was not listed. I knew the information should be in the parish archives of
Altar, Sonora and waiting to be found. As`` some of you know, not all
entries from parish archives are found in the IGI and, even then, they may
be
incorrect. When the microfilm arrived, I went to the entries for May 1,
1889,
the date my grandmother said was her birthdate as shown on her birth
certificate from the state of Sonora.

Not finding the entry, something told me to look in the entries for 1888. I
went
to those for for May 1, 1888. Yes, there were the entries for my
grandmother
and her twin sister, Guadalupe. Telling my grandmoher I had found the name
of
her sister, made her very happy. However, having to admit she was a year
older
and her brother was born in 1889 was a disappointment to her.

This find was in 1982 and I am still researching the Tisnado line. To date
the earliest find has been the marriage of Joseph Domingo Tisnado and María
Magdalena Contreras on 28 Aug 1732. Even though my finds to date have
been in Sonora (and the portion of Arizona which was part of Sonora), I feel
closer to my ancestors being I now live in Tucson, AZ: my fourth
great-grandfather, Juan José Tisnado, was garrisoned at the presidio in
Tucson
and his grandfather was garissoned at the prsidio in Tubac.

George
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> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:33:10 -0700
> From: "Maria Cortez"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
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> Alicia and John,
>
> I enjoyed reading your messages very much. They brought back those
> feelings
> of elation when I have made a new discovery in my ongoing search for my
> ancestors.
>
> I wanted to share a search engine that I sometimes use:
> http://dogpile.com/
> Dogpile uses several search engines to perform its searches (including
> Google, Yahoo, MSN). I thought of it when I read about how John switched
> to
> a different search engine and found the answer he had been searching for.
>
> Alicia when I read your story about not finding the birth record for your
> father-in-law I remembered having the same problem with my paternal
> grandfather's baptismal record. Everyone I had talked to about where he
> was
> born and baptized (including my father and several of my Tias) assured me
> my
> grandfather had been baptized in Ixtlahuacan del Rio. I found his
> siblings
> baptismal records on the microfilm, but not my grandfather's. I take
> prints
> on direct line ancestors and write down the data on collateral lines and
> go
> through every film slowly, so I knew I hadn't missed it. When I got
> through
> the entire roll of film where he should've been found something clicked in
> my mind and told me to order the film for Guadalajara. Since it's a big
> city, there are several churches there, but my intuition told me to check
> a
> specific parrish. With nothing more than a hunch, I went through the film
> and found his baptismal record there! My father was incredulous when I
> told
> him where I had found it, but seeing the record in print convinced him.
> To
> this day, I don't know what made me so sure I would find my grandfather's
> record on the Guadalajara film, but I was not the least bit surprised when
> I
> found it on that film.
>
> Maria
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Alicia Carrillo
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
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>> John,
>>
>> Thank you for sharing that breakthrough!! I feel very happy for you and
>> yes we have all been there. It begins with a small whisper somewhere in
>> our
>> subconcious and before we know it we start to put a voice to that small
>> whisper that asks many questions and has few answers. We begin putting
>> together the stories and legends we've heard from our relatives.
>>
>> Some of us feel it as a hunger to know where we came from and why are we
>> here. In my case I was born in Mexico and was brought to the US at 2
>> years
>> of age as an undocumented alien as some would now call us. As relatives
>> would arrive my parents would say this is your tio or tia....Oooh so many
>> tias and tios that I would ask why or how is it my aunt or uncle. Some
>> were
>> clearly aunts and uncles but most I could not see the connection and was
>> told, "No seas tan preguntona" "Don't be so nosy" as if that would
>> satisfy
>> my curiosity.
>>
>> The years went by, I married a third cousin that I did not know was my
>> cousin. We had our children, they married anglos and I felt a sense of
>> loss
>> and detachment from my culture. Something kept pulling me back to my
>> ancestors and I answered the call. Mostly I wanted to know something
>> about
>> my father-in-law's family as my husband never knew anything about his
>> paternal relations.
>>
>> In January of 2004 I announced to my family that I was gifting myself a
>> trip to Salt Lake as a birthday gift, to begin my genealogical research
>> in
>> earnest. When In Salt Lake, I found the birth record of my
>> father-in-law's
>> brother, Julian Carrillo Jauregui. I know the earth stopped spinning for
>> a
>> fraction of a second in jubilation for this the first of many great
>> finds.
>> To date I still have not found a birth or baptism record for my
>> father-in-law Antonio Carrillo Jauregui who was believed to have been
>> born
>> around 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. This has not dampened my spirit, on
>> the contrary, it's what keeps me going. It's like a drug, each find
>> compells
>> you to keep digging and sends you off into new areas of research.
>>
>> John Robles, I wish you continued success in your research and know that
>> this is just the first of many breakthroughs. Now you can do the happy
>> dance
>> as most of us have done.
>>
>> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
>> San Jose, Calif
>>
>>
>>
>> I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No
>> one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos,
>> Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched
>> under
>> all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to
>> Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El
>> Molino,
>> municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how
>> his
>> pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said
>> that
>> the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast
>> that
>> was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes
>> (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich
>> rain
>> which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish
>> translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one
>> of
>> the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the
>> hacendados made wheat flour, so
>> the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that
>> while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua
>> de
>> Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family
>> home'
>> so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do
>> when
>> you make an exciting find like this??
>> John